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Author Topic: The Commission is Criminal Mark Pidgeon, President Hunters Heritage Council  (Read 7368 times)

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This is a letter that was written By Mark Pidgeon President of HHC.


Point blank, the proposed Commission draft policy C-700X is criminal. It is illegal, it overrides RCW 77.04.012, the legislative mandate, and makes consumptive use illegal. WAC cannot override RCW, yet this Commission is trying to do this. This has to be stopped at all costs. There has been very little publicity for this WAC change and for the first time in history the Commission meeting will be held in Seattle so that the animal-rights people can stack the Commission meeting. There has been no publicity for this Commission meeting. This draft change to the 25-year strategic plan was announced on the Internet on June 2, 2023, and it will be voted on June 19, 2023, just 17 days later. Having this voted on so soon is criminal.

This is from Conservation Policy C-700X:

Principles:

1) Conservation first — The WDFW’s top priority is the conservation of Washington's fish, shellfish, and wildlife for the benefit of all state residents, current and future. Successful conservation is the foundation to support the spectrum of values that Washington residents hold regarding providing sustainable recreational and commercial opportunities including, but not limited to, hunting, fishing, and wildlife appreciation.

z) Conservation of all species, habitat, and ecosystems — To preserve functioning, resilient, healthy ecosystems, the WDFW shall strive to conserve all fish, shellfish, and wildlife, whether rare or common, and their habitat. Doing so is essential to maintain species diversity.

3) Conservation partnerships — An ecosystem—based conservation strategy requires strong coordination and cooperation with local, state, federal, and tribal governments, non- governmental organizations, private landowners, academia, businesses, and engaged citizens. Collaboration with neighboring states and Canada also is important because fish and Wildlife distributions are not constrained by political boundaries.

4) Knowledge and science — WDFW actions and decisions shall be based on objective, science—based knowledge. Scientific efforts to inform the WDFW must be sufficiently broad and multi-disciplinary, combining all related scientific fields (e.g., biological, ecological, economic, and social). Adaptive management is a critical and required step to implement actions learned from monitoring the decisions and actions against the results. Adaptive management thus informs necessary changes to meet the desired outcomes.

Let’s translate this from Commission talk. Principle one will put an end to hunting and consumptive use, with the title “conservation or preservation” first. This Commission will push their goals of wildlife appreciation ahead of hunting. They showed this with spring bear. “Successful conservation is the foundation to support the spectrum of values that Washington residents hold” is a buzz word that that the Commission will say that most Washingtonians don’t hunt and fish and therefore don’t support it.

Principle two, “To preserve functioning, resilient, healthy ecosystems, the WDFW shall strive to conserve all fish, shellfish, and wildlife, whether rare or common, and their habitat. Doing so is essential to maintain species diversity.” WDFW will move to a department that preserves species, instead of one that serves hunters and fishers.

Principle three “Conservation partnerships — An ecosystem—based conservation strategy requires strong coordination and cooperation with local, state, federal, and tribal governments, non-governmental organizations, private landowners, academia, businesses, and engaged citizens. Collaboration with neighboring states and Canada also is important because fish and Wildlife distributions are not constrained by political boundaries.” Everybody but the hunting and fishing community.

Principle four “WDFW actions and decisions shall be based on objective, science—based knowledge. Scientific efforts to inform the WDFW must be sufficiently broad and multi-disciplinary, combining all related scientific fields.” This is to make sure we include animal-rights science.

This is Principle Seven

7) Aligning mandate, strategy, staff, and budget — To achieve the mandate expressed in RCW 77.04.012, the WDFW must develop the necessary strategies, enlist the necessary staff, and secure the necessary resources. To that end, the WDFW must strengthen its communications to the public, State Legislature, and Governor regarding the need for expanded partnerships, additional authorities, and funding.

If there is any doubt that the Commission is trying to override the legislative mandate, this should eliminate all doubt. Principle seven says “To achieve the mandate expressed in RCW 77.04.012, To that end, the WDFW must strengthen its communications to the public, State Legislature, and Governor regarding the need for expanded partnerships, additional authorities, and funding.” Plain as daylight, ADDITIONAL AUTHORITITIES to bring back the legislative mandate. This is just plain criminal.

This must be stopped at all costs. We can testify before the Commission until we’re blue in the face, and it won’t do a bit of good. The Democrats in legislature won’t lift a hand to help. The only way to stop this is by suing the Commission, and this is going to happen. We have to destroy this policy.
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wow

Back to the top.  Stop worrying about the draw happening and start praying for the future of hunting in our state.

Btw, how is social scientific?


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Back to the top.  Stop worrying about the draw happening and start praying for the future of hunting in our state.

Btw, how is social scientific?


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 :yeah: obviously our comments and input fall on deaf ears. There should be a thousand hunters outside this meeting protesting with signs. Where is it being held? I don't even see it on the meeting schedule

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The commission's goal is to "scientifically" end fishing and hunting in this State..the writing has been in the wall.. that's why they've all been hand selected...

You could pack the house in protest with sportsman and pro hunting/ fishing people and they'll just cancel the meeting claiming right wing extremism.....

And no I'm not giving up or being a downer...it's reality... :twocents:

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Good grief.
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This is ridiculous. I wish there was a way to personally sue these commission members and completely financially ruin them. Put them out of their house out of their fancy electric cars homeless on the street. We need to find a legal way to completely destroy these crazy people even if it is each one individually. We need to find someway somehow that they are breaking laws that we could actually get a lawyer to take the case. They are personally attacking us on all levels. I don’t see why we shouldn’t be doing everything we legally can do against them personally also. If the juice is not worth the squeeze they will eventually give up. I doubt they’re gonna give up their fancy cushy lifestyles to save the animals when it comes down to it

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This is ridiculous. I wish there was a way to personally sue these commission members and completely financially ruin them. Put them out of their house out of their fancy electric cars homeless on the street. We need to find a legal way to completely destroy these crazy people even if it is each one individually. We need to find someway somehow that they are breaking laws that we could actually get a lawyer to take the case. They are personally attacking us on all levels. I don’t see why we shouldn’t be doing everything we legally can do against them personally also. If the juice is not worth the squeeze they will eventually give up. I doubt they’re gonna give up their fancy cushy lifestyles to save the animals when it comes down to it

The Sportsmens Alliance lawsuit against Lorna Smith has shown they will use government reduces to protect thier own. They sued her personally but the state allocated state lawyers to defend her.  You would have to dig up some other kind of dirt because I'm sure the system will protect itself.
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In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

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Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy. 
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Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

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Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?

Super short cliff notes. They are setting the stage to greatly reduce hunting. The methods effecting change is illegal in several ways.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2023, 02:09:06 PM by Special T »
In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

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Tribes are against this policy change as well

Good. This is possibly the best tool against the Libs. Uber racist and illegal to tell the tribes you don’t want their input and you won’t manage for consumption.
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Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

 :o

Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?
Maybe he means, "they're already doing this, what's the change other than putting it in writing"  :dunno:

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Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

 :o

Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?
Yes and I have heard them talk about it at the commission meetings and wildlife committee meetings ad nauseam.
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